Sunday, November 21, 2010

 

A Few Hazara and Sindhi People with our DNA-Who Are They?

It has been found that a few people of the Hazara tribe of India and a few people of the Sindhi tribe of Pakistan carry our M378 SNP of our Q1b1 haplogroup. Who are they? Could we be connected to these groups?

My latest theory has been that we come from Persian people, the land of Queen Esther. Are these people connected in any way to that land? How did the Jews ever happen to go to Persia? Before I had discovered that the Jews of Samaria (Judea and Samaria) were carried away as slaves to Iraq and then to Persia, most likely making up Queen Esther's Jewish population.

Pakistan has recently been created for the Muslim people living in India. Not all but many Muslims have moved there. It was not an empty land. The Sindhi tribe have lived there with settlements going back to 7,000 BCE. From these people developed the Indus Valley civilization around 3,000 BCE which rivaled the contemporary civilizations of Ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia in both size and scope with half a million population at the height with well-planned cities and sewer systems.

Now the Hazara were a branch of the Mongols like Ghengis Khan. They actually were in Afghanistan and were the remnant in western Asia of land conquered by Chinggis Khan in the early 13th century ACE. This is why they are known to have had high cheekbones and sparse beards. As it turns out, "Hazara" is from the Persian word "hazara, meaning "thousand," referring to to earlier Mongols called ming or minggan or thousand. These Hazaras are descended from Mongols who entered what is now the Hazarajat in central Afghanistan at various times between 1229 AD and 1337 AD. In 1229 a Mongol army was sent to the west. A part of it was stationed in the region of Ghazni until 1241. In 1256 a grandson of Chinggis Khan, Hulagu, marched west against the Muslim caliphs of Baghdad, and his descendants, the Ilkhans, ruled Persia for nearly 100 years. Many times troops stationed in NE Persia revolted against the Ilkhans. Possibly some of the rebels hid in the central mountains of Afghanistan.

The largest number of Hazaras came from Transoxiana, an area north of the Oxus where Chinggis Khan left to his son Chagatai. At the end of the 13th and beginning of the 14th centuries their armies went across the Hindu Kush and into India. The Ilkhanates fell in 1337 ACE. The Chagataians lived there and became the ancestors of the Hazara.

In 1380 ACE another Chagataian, Timur, invaded Persia and claimed the provinces of Kandahar, Ghazni and Kabul. some of his descendants and men remained when the Timurids returned to Samarkand in 1447. Another Timurid, Babur, invaded Afghanistan at the beginning of the 16th century. By then the Hazaras were a distinct people living where they were when Pakistan was created.

Who conquered this civilization of Hazara? The Persian Achaemenid Empire in the 6th Century BCE. They were conquered again in the late 300s BCE by a mixed army led by Alexander the Great. They kept it for about 20 years. When Alexander died it was under Seleucid rule. It was traded to the Mauryan Empire led by Chandragupta in 305 BCE. Their rule ended in 185 BCE when the last king was overthrown by the Sunga Dynasty. Greek rule returned when Demetrius I of Bactria led an invasion of India and annexed most of the NW lands, including Sindh. He was later defeated and killed but his descendants continued to rule Sindh as the Indo-Greek kingdom. Many converted to Buddhism.

In the 100s BCE, Scythian tribes invaded the Indo-Greek lands. They came through Sindh and became known as Indo-Scythians or later as Western Straps. Then the Tocharian Kushan Empire annexed Sindh by the 1st century ACE. The Kushans were Zoroastrian and tolerant of the Buddhist traditions.

Again the Persians were on the scene in the mid 200s ACE with their Sassanid Empire and defeated the Kushan Empire. They installed vassals known as Kushanshahs. They were defeated by the Kidarites in the late 300s. By the late 400s, the Hephthalite tribes known as the Indo-Hephthalites or Huns broke through the Gupta Emprie's NW borders and overran much of Northern and Western India. Sindh became independent under the Rai Dynasty around 478 ACE. They in turn were overthrown by Chachar of Alor around 632. It never ends.

Which all tells me that there were a lot of Empires that I have never studied. With all this warring, babies must have been born. Our line of Goldfoot as well as the other Q1b1's must have come from this group somehow. Otherwise, why would we have found that we had something in common with the Hazara and Sindhi tribes of India and Pakistan? Isn't it possible that we became involved with Queen Esther's Jewish population at one time or another while there?

Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sindhi_people
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sindh
http://boozers.fortunecity.com/jerusalem/47/History/history.html

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Comments:
hi,
i am a Sindhi from Pakistan.
do you know the name of these tribes..??

i heard that DNA of Malaha/Mohana tribe of Sindh is similar to Falasha Jews.

Malaha/Mohana is a fishermen tribe.

but it is also beleived that king of Mohenjo Daro in 3000BC was Meluha, and they blog to that king.
 
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Bonjour Goldie,
Just decided to test a suspicion about Hazaras and you're the first find to confirm. You mention empires that you didn't know of, but surprisingly not the Khazar empire.
The relations of Hebrew traders with central Asian peoples, goes back at least to the Persian empire 7-500BC -
see Radhanites (old Persian - people who know the way), who 'made' the Silk Road (see www.hebrewhistory.info).
Central asian jews, now elsewhere, preserve many traditions, including a dialect that mixes Dari Persian with Turcoman - see www.bukharianjews.com
I have seen pictures that appear to show about a third of Hazaras with Hebrew facial features.
p.s. the Mesopotamian crucible, meant that Abraham's people were (are) a mixed race from the start (African, Semitic Asian and EuroCaucasian) Some DNA seems to have a mind of its own, as though it's trying to join up! Happy hunting Goldie
 
Hi Mosart,
I didn't mention Khazaria because I know about it. I have read Kevin Alan Brooks' book about it called, "The Jews of Khazaria," as well as Koestler's the 13th Tribe and others. I even thought at one time that our Q1b1a line of Jews, which is 5% of the Jewish population, came from there, but that has been dismissed by the population scientists and others are thought to have come from there while admittedly, many of us most likely carry a wee bit of some pieces of chromosomes of theirs. No, we're trying to find the haplogroup ancestor who lived about 1,000 years ago who started the genetic line our males have.
 
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